3rd world citizens

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We all care about the poor.

The desperately hungry. Without a home and living on the streets. The people bashed and robbed. Socially ostracised. Those drinking muddy, unpurified water. Nothing at all in their possession except the clothes on their backs. Sick to death.

We all pity such people. We feel sorry for how they live. So we donate money, clothes, water towards their villages. Set up organisations. Raise awareness. All in an attempt to help people in need.

But none of us envy their lifestyles. A safe assumption I hope.

The life of someone in poverty isn’t exactly the peak of the human experience. You would have to be out of your mind to desire this life.

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” – Jesus

And then Jesus goes and says that. What the heck.

These were his first words in The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7). If you know anything about speeches and essays, introductions are used to set the scene and grab attention. Jesus must have been very aware of these factors. His first sentence alone is shocking. 

Picture it with me. The disciples are waiting as Jesus prepares to talk. Religious dudes gather expectantly for inside knowledge on how to perform miracles, or how to get into God’s good books. Intrigued locals join the crowd to hear from this amazing teacher. Everyone is hanging on his first words.

And then for some crazy reason, Jesus starts by promising poor people the kingdom of heaven. Talk would’ve run riot in the town. If newspapers were a thing, they would’ve gone bezerk. Social media would’ve been in absolute overdrive.

The prerequisite to citizenship in heaven is to be poor in spirit. God’s kingdom is promised to poor people.

Crazy stuff.  

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Malcolm Turnbull came under fire recently.

The Australian PM was spotted giving $5 to a poor man on the streets of Melbourne. On the surface, it seemed like a nice gesture. However, news outlets and social media went nuts when they discovered Mr.Turnbull was clutching a stack of notes in his left hand. People were quick to label him greedy and selfish.

The hypocrisy in much of the criticisms of Mr.Turnbull are very real. I’d suggest 99% of those voicing hate against Mr.Turnbull for this act should take a hard look at themselves.

But the fact remains. There is disappointment that with so much money in his possession, Malcolm could only manage $5. That the leader of our people, seeing the poorest in his society, gave that which wouldn’t cost him much.

Whether or not you are critical of Mr.Turnbull is irrelevant. My point is this. Jesus sees the poorest in his society and promises the absolute maximum in return. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 

Dead set ridiculous. Jesus promises everything to people who have nothing. To put this into perspective, it would be like Mr.Turnbull giving $100 million to the homeless man. We are on that sort of scale of crazy.

But to get the reward, we are called to be poor in spirit. Is Jesus telling us to be desperately hungry? Vulnerable and on the streets? Are we being told be sick and thirsty and homeless and posses nothing – all for the sake of heaven?

That’s ludicrous. That’s insane.

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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE POOR IN SPIRIT?

‘Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich.’ – 2 Corinthians 8:9

In understanding what poor in spirit means, it makes sense to look at how Jesus treated poor people. Unsurprisingly, one of the most defining features of Jesus was the way he sought the lost (Luke 19:10).

Jesus welcomed in the outcasts. Gave lasting food to the poor and helpless. Jesus invited people despised by the world over for dinner. Those with leprosy and blindness he came into contact with. He healed them. He talked with them (Matthew 11:5).

He came into their world when nobody else would.

Jesus, the very definition of sinless and perfect, consistently and intentionally came into contact with disgraceful sinners (Matthew 9:10). But Jesus didn’t just come into contact with poor people. He identified with them.

Jesus came from a small village, born to a poor couple in a lowly animal stable. He wasn’t too high and mighty for work – heck, he laboured for years as a carpenter. The very Son of God lived and breathed amongst poor people. He understood everyday struggles. He didn’t remove himself from pain – quite the opposite.

Surely this tells us something about how God intended to reach the world.

“Stand up, pick up your mat, and go home” – Jesus

Jesus said this to a paralysed man.

So you can see how crazy this statement is. Jesus literally told someone who physically can’t walk to do exactly that. Walk.

Try telling someone in a wheelchair to just get up and walk next time you’re in public. See how that works out for you. You might just experience the miracle of a backhand to the face.

Yet immediately after Jesus said this, a man who had never used his legs before stood up and walked (Mark 2:1-12). Let’s just appreciate how cool that is for a second. Just ridiculous.

But that’s not the only ridiculous thing about this situation.

Back in the day, sickness was considered a punishment for disobedience. It was a common belief that God inflicted sickness upon people as result of sin. Such people living in sickness were often despised and not allowed to live in community with anyone, not even their own family (Numbers 5:2).

Sin had to be expelled from the community so the people could stay clean.

Yet for some reason this Jesus dude felt like it was okay to welcome in a sick, poor and sinful person. So sin had now polluted the community. Great. Thanks a lot Jesus.

But in a mad plot twist, Jesus defies all laws of physics and medical expertise and just heals the man of his sickness. The people were in utter disbelief. It would’ve been like watching someone discover the cure to cancer. This was significant.

Why did Jesus heal this poor, sick and sinful man?

Through this situation, Jesus was sticking up his hand as the solution to the crippling disease of sin. This Jesus was sticking his hand up as God himself. No other explanation would suffice. Who else could be so perfect as to heal someone of imperfection?

No longer would people have to be expelled from the community. Sin that once left humanity paralysed had now met its cure.

Jesus.

Isn’t Christianity just a crutch for those who can’t make it themselves?

A common criticism of Christianity. Funny thing is, we actually agree with it.

John Piper (in a sermon) highlights an interesting thing about this criticism and labelling of our ‘crutch’ as being problematic. He suggested that nobody looks at an injured person with a crutch, and identifies the crutch as being problematic.

The crutch is the solution, isn’t it? 

Here’s where the problem lies. If Christianity is a crutch, then it is only good for cripples. And many people don’t consider themselves cripples. And so it is therefore offensive to an individual’s self- sufficiency to be labelled as needing help.

This is why Jesus is so counter cultural.

Jesus came to provide himself as the crutch for all. The solution to our deepest sickness.

Humanity was paralysed in sin. But through Jesus death on the cross, our greatest sickness is dealt with. As a result we can boldly approach God. Full confidence in the saving power of our crutch, which allows us to walk in the ways of our Father.

And this completely contrasts our way of thinking.

If we want a job, we work hard and present ourselves well. If we want to be better at sport, we train harder. If we want to get better grades, we study harder. If we want to get anywhere in life, it takes our own effort.

Then Jesus comes along and flips it. To be poor in spirit is to realise the state of our sickness without Jesus. To be poor in spirit is understanding that before God, we have nothing to give. All the work Jesus has already done.

It is finished. 

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PULL UP A SEAT

My Dad wrote a letter when I was born. In this letter he explains the reasons behind choosing my name – and qualities he hoped I would cling to.

Dad used the biblical Jonathan as an example of holding high the qualities of loyalty and friendship in my life. Jonathan was a very loyal man, who had a strong friendship with David. However, Dad suggests (in his letter) it is what comes of their friendship that is equally significant.

Eventually Jonathan died. To honour the deep friendship David once shared with his friend, he found a lone descendant from Jonathan’s line, a cripple called Mephibosheth. To this lowly, dishonoured man he gave the right to eat at the king’s table from that day on (2 Samuel 9).

Because of David and Jonathan’s strong relationship, a man lowly and crippled was given access to eat at the King’s table.

‘God has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence…’ – Colossians 1:22

Jesus has a perfect relationship with God.

And by extension, Jesus death and resurrection brings us into the presence of the King. Into the very presence of God. God invites us to eat at his table because of the deep relationship shared with Jesus Christ.

Lowly, hungry, flawed and crippled in sin – yet God chooses us to eat with him. Through Jesus work on the cross, we can claim our seat at the table.

“Tell a broken, crippled and dying world that they may come and eat at the King’s table.”

Pull up a seat.

 

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137 thoughts on “3rd world citizens

    • Jonathan Camac September 5, 2016 / 12:29 pm

      Thanks man, appreciate it 🙂 haha exactly. Bit of hope for eternity to get you through 😉

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      • Jonathan Camac November 6, 2016 / 8:28 am

        appreciate it Ahsan 🙂 glad you found it encouraging. hoping it stirs up your hope in Christ!

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    • Jonathan Camac September 5, 2016 / 10:53 pm

      Glad you got something out of it Jude 🙂 appreciate your time once again! Have a good one

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  1. grevisangel73 September 6, 2016 / 1:54 pm

    Thanks for following my blog. I am now following yours. I ook forward to reading it. I have a lot of catching up to do, but I am sure it will be an incredible journey.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 6, 2016 / 11:35 pm

      I haven’t posted tons of blog posts, so shouldn’t take too long to catch up haha. I’ll have a look at some more of yours too 🙂

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      • grevisangel73 September 6, 2016 / 11:41 pm

        Cool, I like to read new and fresh stuff and it is easier to read all of it. I like to read everything that my followers write.Looking forward to it

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  2. Dan Ledwith September 7, 2016 / 2:03 am

    Great post! Thanks for pointing me to it. You have some great insights here.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 7, 2016 / 11:05 am

      Cheers Dan! Awesome to share each other’s thoughts in this one. Thanks for checking it out. Have a good one brother 🙂

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  3. christianstokes1 September 7, 2016 / 11:03 pm

    Really enjoyed this and am going to have to read it a few more times to get everything I want to out of it. Great post!

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    • Jonathan Camac September 8, 2016 / 1:25 am

      Yeah I definitely jam-packed this one a bit. Glad you got some interesting points and enjoyed reading this Christian. Have a good one brother 🙂

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  4. Mary Ann September 12, 2016 / 10:40 pm

    Great Post! God led me to set up Pennies For Dreams to help the poor in India and Africa, because help was so hard to find.. Please pray that the Lord will bless them through it..
    Thank you and God Bless 🙂

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    • Jonathan Camac September 13, 2016 / 12:01 am

      That’s awesome Mary Ann! So cool to hear how pro-active you are with that. Yeah for sure 🙂 God bless!

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  5. clubschadenfreude September 16, 2016 / 1:42 am

    Since the bible states that sickness is caused by God (the blind man that JC heals), what would be the point of Jesus healing those that he/his father harmed? In the same way, the bible claims that misfortune is visited on those whose parents have sinned. If this is the case, again, why would JC befriend those he/his father punished?

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    • Jonathan Camac September 16, 2016 / 2:02 am

      Great question.

      The way I see it, and I’m happy to be corrected, is that this was the whole reason Jesus came. It was to call in a new order. No longer would we be judged according to the extent of own sins and sickness. Jesus, God in the flesh, died so that we could be healed and made new. And so when he took our punishment, all our failings and weaknesses and sin, the Father can see us new. We are called to trust in his crutch and in his saving power, and that faith alone has the power to redeem us from death. 1 Corinthians 15: 54-57. Appreciate the question brother!

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      • clubschadenfreude September 17, 2016 / 12:53 am

        So this god decided it was wrong before? The bible, and Christians, claim that their god is omnipotent and unchanging. If it is this, then why need to “call in a new order”?

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      • Jonathan Camac September 19, 2016 / 1:33 am

        Another great question. I think it is important I clarify something: God never changes his stance on sin. Ever. Throughout history and recorded in the Bible, God takes a hard stance on it. In the old testament, the old days, a sacrifice had to be made often to take the sins of the people. A lamb without defect was one of the requirements for such an offering. See Leviticus 22:19.

        So payment is required for sin, as ‘the wages of sin are death’ (Romans 6:23). To save us from death and eternal separation from God, payment is necessary from something that is perfect, without blemish.

        But as many situations in the old testament, God foreshadows one to come. A new way, a new order of dealing with sin. A perfect lamb (so to speak), Jesus, to be the sacrifice and die once for all sins (1 Peter 3:18). This is the essence of Christianity.

        I’ve written a lot sorry. But I think Hebrews 10:10 summarises it pretty well: ‘He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.’ 1 Peter 1:18-22 is also a cracker summary.

        Hope that helps man. I seriously appreciate a curious and questioning mind like yours. Welcome to discuss more 🙂

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      • clubschadenfreude September 20, 2016 / 10:56 am

        I’ll return to ask more detailed question but I would start with one. Jesus Christ said that the laws of his father are still in play and must be followed (the earth and heaven are still very much here) and those who follow will have the highest seats in heaven. paul seem to be contradicting the supposed messiah himself. Why would this be? One hypothesis would be that the character of JC is sure that he will return quickly and change out this earth/heaven for another. But when stuck with the reality of no change, Paul had to make up another story, to get a new audience since the Jews weren’t flocking to this supposed risen messiah as thought. Gentiles were a new source of income.

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  6. awass7712 September 16, 2016 / 12:34 pm

    Great post! I love reading about my Jesus 🙂

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    • Jonathan Camac September 16, 2016 / 1:56 pm

      We are sons and daughters of an incredible God hey 🙂 thanks for your time – hope the rest of your day is awesome!

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  7. joseph elon lillie September 16, 2016 / 3:06 pm

    Amen Jonathan! This is our message to the world. All are poor in spirit and so the kingdom belongs to all. The only thing left to decide is, will we receive it or reject it.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 16, 2016 / 7:58 pm

      haha, thanks heaps for reading Tahlitha. Trust you were encouraged in some way. Bless you 🙂

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  8. Kolawole John September 19, 2016 / 10:16 am

    This is a long read, but quite worth the time. Thanks for stopping by on my blog. I love my Jesus.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 19, 2016 / 11:44 pm

      yeah it is quite a read haha. Thanks for your time! our Jesus is pretty awesome 🙂

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  9. isntlifemessy September 22, 2016 / 5:25 am

    So good. I knew I was following you for a reason! I was able to get one of those “aha” moments where the great story God is telling in scripture wraps back onto itself to reveal deeper meaning. I love it when that happens.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 22, 2016 / 5:42 am

      Haha! Good to know 🙂 So awesome how the old testament is used to usher in Christ. Thanks heaps for your time!

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  10. Arkenaten September 22, 2016 / 1:54 pm

    Yet immediately after Jesus said this, a man who had never used his legs before stood up and walked (Mark 2:1-12).

    How can you trust the historical veracity of the text?

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    • Jonathan Camac September 22, 2016 / 2:00 pm

      Hey Arkenaten. Appreciate your comment. I am simply recounting an event from the Bible. I don’t claim to be a huge resource regarding apologetics, or a fountain of knowledge on the credibility of the Bible. Keep in mind I have not done the degrees that you have at university, haha.

      I will have to research and get back to you. If that is okay with you 🙂

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      • Arkenaten September 22, 2016 / 2:05 pm

        Sure. No problems.
        Though I am curious. Why would you quote something ( and I presume accept it ) if you do not know its (original ) source or whether it is true or not?
        Are you not operating first and foremost on faith rather than evidence?

        I have no University degree on theology or biblical hermeneutics. I simply try to read and research as much as time allows.

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      • Jonathan Camac September 22, 2016 / 2:09 pm

        I have done some research around biblical credibility. And from what I’ve seen and heard so far, I am satisfied that the Bible is (for the most part) a trustworthy historical source.

        But more research in answering your specific answer is required. If I’m real with you, you are probably asking the wrong person. You would do yourself good to listen to some arguments on youtube or something around biblical credibility. But nonetheless, I’ll try to give you an appropriate answer 🙂 Hope you can understand this.

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      • Arkenaten September 22, 2016 / 2:24 pm

        Which scholars/historians/archaeologists
        etc have you researched that helped you arrive at this decision?

        I have listened and read more on this topic that I have likely had hot dinners.

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      • Jonathan Camac September 22, 2016 / 11:16 pm

        That’s good to hear Ark. But you have asked me one specific question, and we will remain on that topic.

        Any extra discussion outside of that topic, and you can reach me at cadelcamac@gmail.com

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      • Arkenaten September 23, 2016 / 9:13 am

        So when do you think you will have done enough research before you get back to me?

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      • Jonathan Camac September 26, 2016 / 1:44 pm

        Hey Ark. Thanks for your patience man, I have been mega busy these last few days. Appreciate that.

        As I responded on another blog, I believe there is good reason to believe the NT is (for the most part) a credible source of historical material. The entire NT was written by 100 A.D – within 70 years of Jesus death. Copies of these documents were made within 100 years of the time of writing. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned–people who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out.

        In this example, hundreds of people from a small town have flocked to see Jesus. Heaps of people supposedly saw Jesus heal this man of his paralysed state. It was a big deal in the town. If what happened to the paralysed man is a false story, it is highly likely the writings would have been contested by the town people who were supposedly witnesses of the event. It makes sense. But such accusations against the NT writings were not made at the time. Interesting.

        So we see, in terms of history, the new testament proves to have an incredibly short amount of time between the writing of events and copies made. It gives great credibility to the writings of the new testament.

        Interestingly, many other ancient texts don’t carry such credibility. For example, Tacitus wrote manuscripts around 100 A.D. Copies of this original were not made until approximately 1000 years later. And yet, his writings and copies are generally believed to be credible accounts. Many ancient documents have huge time gaps between the writing and copies made of documents. The New Testament on the other hand, doesn’t – only 100 years between writing and copies made. The closest we have to this sort of accuracy is in the Iliad, where copies were made 500 years after the original manuscript was written.

        I hope I have given some sort of answer to your question Ark. There is always an element of faith when history is in question. Always. I cannot say that 100%, without any doubt, Jesus did these things. But I believe the eyewitness evidence, combined with the quickness of accounts and copies made for such events, give great credibility to the life and times of Jesus 🙂

        Thanks for your time and patience!

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      • Arkenaten September 26, 2016 / 2:23 pm

        My original question was this:
        ”Which scholars/historians/archaeologists
        etc have you researched that helped you arrive at this decision?”

        I would prefer if you didn’t automatically assume I am a rookie in this field. Though with due respect, you seem to be.
        In fact you are beginning to sound patronizing, somehow believing I would not know who Tacitus was and what and when he wrote. ( have you actually read Annals or are you merely quoting Wiki or some such?)

        If you could please address the actual question, and list the scholars, archaeologist and historians you have read. Even if they are simply quotes or bits and pieces.

        I would be obliged.

        Thanks.
        Ark

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      • Jonathan Camac September 27, 2016 / 6:00 am

        You original question was ‘How can you trust the historical veracity of the text?’ This was in reference to Mark 2:1-12. I have answered this first question according to how I see it in my previous response.

        Sorry if you believe I have assumed you a rookie in this field. Genuinely not my intentions or my beliefs about you Ark. In mentioning Tacitus, I was not trying to sound patronising at all. Just stating when his works were written and copied.

        Now, your second question. I have read sections of the book Investigating Jesus (by Historian John Dickson), which compiles much of the evidence for Jesus’ existence from various sources. Dickson himself has read many of the original writings of people such as Josephus, as is evidenced throughout with pictures of him with the works and direct quotes from the text. In John’s book he quotes a wide array of historians/scholars – Professor Martin Hengel, Professor Ed Sanders, Professor Graham Stanton, Professor James Charlesworth and Professor Richard Bauckham just to name a few. John Dickson also mentions archaeological discoveries which have just recently (2004) seemingly confirmed accounts of (for example) the second large bathing pool in John 9:7. It was accidentally uncovered during sewerage repairs, and articles were written of the discovery in the Jerusalem Post. It was dated to have been used between BC and 70 AD, which is widely regarded to be the one mentioned in John. Such archaeological discoveries do not provide a flawless path to the truth – but they do increase historical plausibility. Overall the book is well researched and well worth a read.

        I have also read sections of the book ‘The Case for Christ.’ This is written by Lee Strobel, who has degrees in journalism and law. He was once a devout atheist, but after considering the evidence for Jesus, changed his tune. From what I’ve read of the book, he has done a ton of research to reach his conclusion. Importantly, Strobel never seems to make assumptions based off thin air. He has a large reference list, and consistently quotes and meets with various people of high standing in the academic world – Dr. Craig L. Blomberg, Dr. Bruce Metzger, Dr. Edwin Yamauchi, Dr. John McRay and Dr.gregory Boyd to name just those from part 1 of the book.

        Other videos I have watched of debates between Dr. William Lane Craig and critics/athiests I have also found to be compelling. Articles written by a personal favourite, John Piper, have also been beneficial to me. An article he wrote recently was decent, feel free to check it out @ http://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/if-the-bible-has-been-added-to-can-we-trust-it

        So to answer your question in a nutshell, no I haven’t read first hand these ancient documents. I haven’t read hundreds of books on the topic, and I don’t claim to be some sort of scholastic genius. Quite the opposite actually. But I have good reason to believe what I have read and researched are accurate accounts of the original texts. Assumptions can be left to the reader in these books, which is great. And from what I’ve read, I have a growing confidence in the credibility to the accounts of the person and works of Jesus Christ, and the awesome hope I have in Him.

        I suggest if you’re looking for more information from my point of view, those books would be A1 to read. My information and knowledge is pretty limited. Best to hear it from the experts.

        Thanks again for your time Ark. Sorry for the long response. Have a good one mate 🙂

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      • Arkenaten September 27, 2016 / 8:55 am

        It’s important you understand that the gospels are
        1) anonymous and
        2) not eyewitness accounts.

        Strobal is a sham. He did not interview a single secular /non believer in his book to balance his ”investigation”. So much for an impartial journalist approach.

        The gospels also suffer from interpolation; the long ending of Mark, and the adulteress in John are two examples that come to mind.
        The virgin birth narrative in Matthew is a direct reference to Isaiah 7:14 and the story of King Ahaz and has no relevance to the character, Jesus of Nazareth whatsoever. This story was simply lifted by the author of Matthew in order to fulfill Jewish prophecy.

        Yes, I am aware of the pool of Bethesda.
        Many writings reference physical places. Novels mention places all the time. Just because James Bond’s headquarters, MI6, are in London does not mean Bond is an historical character.

        Craig is a proponents of Divine Command Theory.
        For this reason he deserves absolutely no respect whatsoever.
        He also believes the Bible (in its original form ) to be inerrant, which is ludicrous as the Human Genome Project for one has demonstrated beyond any doubt it was impossible for there to have been an original human couple as per the biblical story.
        He is also on record stating that irrespective of physical evidence in the end faith supersedes everything else.
        According to one of Piper’s sons, their family environment is dysfunctional – he was excommunicated with his father’s blessing apparently.
        Piper is not a normal theologian by any stretch.

        To get a much more =balanced view you really need to step outside you comfort zone and read a lot more secular writers/scholars

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      • Jonathan Camac September 27, 2016 / 2:31 pm

        Thanks for your opinion on this Ark.

        The problem here is that awe differ in our belief to the credibility of the Bible. Such gospel accounts mention many eyewitnesses. I would also contest that the silence is deafening. As I stated, the whole NT was written within 70 years of Jesus death. So had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a corrective.

        The interpolations in the gospels are very minimal. There is approximately only 7% of the New Testament texts in question, and of these, most variances make very little difference to the overall meaning of the passage. And the big interpolations that you have mentioned, the Bible itself actually calls out. In Mark, you will see there is options to stop it short or long – as it is a contested piece of writing. The story of the woman caught in adultery also has a disclaimer stating that ‘The most ancient Greek manuscripts do not include John 7:53-8:11.’ So we definitely do not hide away from these possible interpolations. None of these texts in question, whether they did happen or not, shake the Christian faith.

        Daniel Wallace, who has debated Bart Ehrman, who is quite skeptical about the reliability of the New Testament, says this: “For more than two centuries, biblical scholars have declared that no essential affirmation of Christian doctrine has been affected by the variance. Even Ermen,” he says, “has conceded this point in three debates that I have had with him.”

        As I stated, I realise archaeology is only a small piece to the puzzle. It doesn’t give a clear path to truth. But as in the story of the pool, this story was well contested before the findings. But now it has little contest with the discovery of this pool. Such findings add another element, even if small, of credibility to the accounts of the Bible.

        It is not up to me to judge a person’s family life, of whom I haven’t met. I do not know enough about Dr.Craig to know each and every statement he has said.

        Perhaps I do need to do some wider reading. That wouldn’t be a bad thing to do, for sure. But as I have stated previously, from the stuff I have read and the arguments made regarding Biblical credibility, I have enough reason to believe and trust in the bulk of the accounts of Jesus.

        Thanks again for your time Ark. Hope you can see the reason to believe on both sides of the coin 🙂

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      • Arkenaten September 27, 2016 / 3:54 pm

        It is true that the only eyewitness accounts are supposedly the writers of the gospels themselves.

        You obviously did not read my comment correctly.
        The gospels authors are anonymous.

        The names were tagged on much later by the church.
        Further more they were not ”gospels” at that stage either. Perhaps you should do some serious research on the history of the bible?
        The oldest manuscripts do not feature the long ending. Please take a few moments to ponder the implications.

        I know who Ehrman is and also Wallace.

        Wallace is a Christian. Thus, his opinion is heavily biased.

        Here is the part of the faulty statement for Biola.

        … for Seminary faculty and board

        Article I—The Scriptures

        We believe that “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God,” by which we understand the whole Bible is inspired in the sense that holy men of God “were moved by the Holy Spirit” to write the very words of Scripture. We believe that this divine inspiration extends equally and fully to all parts of the writings—historical, poetical, doctrinal, and prophetical—as appeared in the original manuscripts. We believe that the whole Bible in the originals is therefore without error. We believe that all the Scriptures center about the Lord Jesus Christ in His person and work in His first and second coming, and hence that no portion, even of the Old Testament, is properly read, or understood, until it leads to Him. We also believe that all the Scriptures were designed for our practical instruction (Mark 12:26, 36; 13:11; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:39; Acts 1:16; 17:2–3; 18:28; 26:22–23; 28:23; Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 2:13; 10:11; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:21).

        Wallace is an evangelical and as a faculty member is obliged to toe the theological line.

        There you go again assuming I have not done my homework.
        Please take it as given I am aware of pretty much every recognised scholar in this field, okay?

        I have enough reason to believe and trust in the bulk of the accounts of Jesus

        No, you have not.
        You did not become a Christian based on historical evidence, and critical thinking.
        Faith always come first.

        Why do you think you are not a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu?

        Perhaps you should really start reading genuine historians and genuine (non Christian ) biblical scholars?

        Also research Marcion.

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      • Jonathan Camac September 28, 2016 / 5:41 am

        I would suggest to you that Luke was the actual writer of Luke. He explicitly states (in Luke 1:1-4) that he will write his account accurately according to the eyewitness evidence. But I understand gospels such as Mark are, strictly speaking, anonymously written. So I’d suggest that the top candidates to the writers of the gospels were either eyewitnesses themselves, or they likely recorded the words of others who were present.

        The ending of Mark is a bit of a doozy. But again, not disastrous to the Christian faith by any stretch. Actual history records many people being killed for their faith in Jesus after he had been dead a while. There was a sudden rise in confidence for this supposedly ‘dead Jesus’ that sparked a worldwide revolution. It is not unlikely that the people saw the resurrected Christ and were filled with confidence to put their faith on the line. I mean, would you die for your apparent King that, just days before, you had watched suffer a humiliating death? Wouldn’t fill me with confidence that’s for sure. Interestingly, the gospels of Matthew, Luke and John do include the resurrection and ascension in their early manuscripts.

        Not sure how that quote from Wallace is relevant. I realise Wallace is a Christian. All I quoted from him was something significant that Ehrman agrees with him about. Again, I am not assuming you haven’t done your homework. You asked me for the names I have based my opinions off, and I gave them to you.

        That is up to you to decide man. You sure are right – faith always comes first with God. It is a valued asset in his people, that they would trust Him. And I do. Ephesians 2:8 says we are saved by grace alone through faith. So faith is a major part of Christianity. For sure. But I also believe the evidence available does no harm, in fact it seems to support, the evidence for credible accounts of Jesus. If time permits I may read more into this stuff from other source.

        Just one last thing. To claim all Christian historians are biased, and somehow hold to believing others are not, is in fact a biased view in itself. I would suggest to you that almost all historians are somewhat biased one way or another.

        Thanks again for your time Ark 🙂

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      • Arkenaten September 28, 2016 / 8:58 am

        There is no top candidate for the writer of ”Luke”. The author is simply unknown and this is the consensus of biblical scholars.

        Not half-wits like Craig or Licona or maybe Habermas, but genuine scholars.

        It has been proposed that much of Luke and Acts were simply mined from Josephus.
        The Acts Seminar has shown that Acts is little more than fiction.

        The would die for a lie cause ios nonsense.
        Did those Muslims who flew into the Twin Towers not believe they were gong to heaven?
        And exactly who were these martyr’s?
        Are there any verifiable records of the disciples being Martyred? No. Not one.
        You are simply regurgitating apologetics without having done any proper research.
        This is worse than cribbing answers for an exam.

        If most of the biblical scholars at degree accredited universities are Christian – and they are – then they are bound to be biased as those who put evidence before faith will, sooner or later, deconvert.
        Ehrman is the perfect example.
        He even questions how so many can go through Seminary where the real history is taught then once they have graduated forget all these lessons and fall back onto the dogma of their faith?

        Bias is all part and parcel of human nature. We all want our views to be the right ones.
        The difference between secularism and religion is once evidence has shown the falsity of a position a genuine scholar has only one way to go or lose credibility completely.
        Biblical scholars couldn’t really give a damn as their position is grounded in faith first and anything that alters this perspective will be considered their god’s will.

        Look at a person like Kenneth Kitchen. He is an Egyptologist and an evangelical Christian who believes in the Exodus!
        And this in the face of almost the entire field of archaeology.

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      • Jonathan Camac October 3, 2016 / 5:32 am

        Well that’s your opinion. Thanks for stopping by Ark 🙂

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      • danielgutfeld October 3, 2016 / 7:36 am

        I would highly suggest not interacting with troll-like commenters like this for too long. This individual is clearly not interested in ANY sort of evidence against their own position. Category errors consisting in biases(“Well they are Christian so they are biased and not scholars, unlike these non-christian scholars who don’t want it to be true so aren’t biased.”… What?), and logical inconsistencies regarding historiography (The author of Luke is not unknown according to scholarly consensus… It’s Luke the personal physician of Paul of Tarsus according to scholarly consensus) are filled in their argumentation; with a knowledgable debater, they would be crushed like a small girl amidst professional rugby players who happen to also be sadomasochists. If this person were honest they wouldn’t be going in the direction of, “anything you or another Christian says about the Bible is clearly wrong, because I don’t agree. Here is my pseudo information (that can also be gleaned from wikipedia articles) to ‘prove’ it.” I would also suggest getting Michael J. Kruger’s book, “Canon Revisited” and his previous work co-authored by Andres Kostenberger, “The Heresy of Orthodoxy.” Dr. Kruger was a PhD student of Dr. Erhman at UNC. Also, if I may suggest, do not use the “mostly historically reliable” argument. Mostly historically reliable documents aren’t sufficient for objectively certain truth.

        Maranatha, Hallelujah, Amen Amen.

        To study Theology is to study God, may I ask, If he is that important, why wouldn’t we want to do that always?

        >

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      • Arkenaten October 3, 2016 / 9:25 am

        Not my opinion. A point of view I accept based on evidence.

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      • Arkenaten September 27, 2016 / 4:04 pm

        See if you can answer these questions honestly.

        1. Are you aware of the Human Genome Project and do you accept that science has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt there were never an original couple as per the bible tale?
        If so, how does this influence/change your belief? If not, why not?

        2. Are you aware the global flood (Noah) is fiction based on the Epic of Gilgamesh and refers to a factual localized flood?

        3.Do you accept the virgin birth is simply a piece of narrative fiction and the writer of Matthew simply co-opted the tale from Isaiah in order to help fulfill supposed prophecy?
        If not, why not?

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      • Jonathan Camac September 28, 2016 / 5:05 am

        Heck, you have a lot of questions on your mind haha. It’s good though man 🙂

        I have not done much research into the human genome project. Again, I’m no expert. But I have provided you with the evidence I believe to give great credibility to the Bible – namely the small amount of time between writing and copying of NT accounts.

        I haven’t done much research into that either. But from the limited searching I have done, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Noah-flood story don’t seem to contradict each other. Can you please provide a source proving that the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh was definitely a localised, not worldwide flood? Thanks man.

        Again, I haven’t done much research into this either. I do however believe it was a virgin birth. Here’s the thing. There’s no way you can prove that it wasn’t a virgin birth. And likewise, I cannot prove to you that it was. In the realms of possibility, I can understand your decision. However, I believe in a God who can do anything. I think on this topic we have the same level of information to either believe or not believe. Neither of us can without a doubt back up claims for this one – we cannot get the baby tested to check the DNA.

        Also, if we are talking prophecies, even without the fulfilment of the virgin birth one, the compelling nature of the amount of prophecies fulfilled is amazing. Ridiculous even, the amount of prophecies made even 700 years before his birth. Just some being that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), that he would be from the line of Judah/David (Isaiah 11:1-12), that he would enter Jerusalem humbly, riding on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9), that there would be one from the people of David pierced wrongly (Zechariah 12:10), that a coming messiah would become a payment for sin (Isaiah 53:5-12), silent before his accusers (Isaiah 53:7), spat and struck by others (Isaiah 50:6). Such prophecies give me confidence to believe that if so many others can be fulfilled, the virgin birth one is likely to have too (and if we are to get into specifics, the book of Luke also mentions a virgin birth – not just the writer of Matthew).

        Hope this makes sense 🙂 have a killer day brother!

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      • Arkenaten September 28, 2016 / 9:08 am

        Sorry, I haven’t the time to be your nursemaid or library assistant.

        You can type and you know what Google is.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

        As for the Virgin Birth nonsense.
        Research what Raymond Brown admitted.

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      • Arkenaten September 27, 2016 / 8:58 pm

        As you mentioned Piper, I thought you might appreciate this gem of a quote:

        Here’s some of Piper’s ‘wisdom’.

        “It’s right for God to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases. God gives life and he takes life. Everybody who dies, dies because God wills that they die. God is taking life every day. He will take 50,000 lives today. Life is in God’s hand. God decides when your last heartbeat will be, and whether it ends through cancer or a bullet wound. God governs. So God is God! He rules and governs everything. And everything he does is just and right and good. God owes us nothing.”

        Isn’t he wonderful?
        Just the type of person you want babysitting your kids. Not!

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      • Jonathan Camac September 28, 2016 / 5:51 am

        Whilst this statement of Piper’s come across quite abrasive and rash, I agree with the creed he carries behind this statement. At the end of the day, God is totally sovereign and in control. He can do as he pleases. Sure, Piper might have done well to tone down the beginning a little. But I for one think Piper has goo intentions. A humble, genuine, God seeking man that I look up to. And I think if we were both to meet him, we would come away feeling as such about him.

        But it is well within your right to say whatever you want about the man. And Piper isn’t without fault. We are all flawed humans. And he would wholeheartedly agree with you that he has made mistakes. No doubt. So speak of him what you will. I’m sure he will continue to meekly hand over his cause to God who judges justly 🙂

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      • Arkenaten September 28, 2016 / 8:42 am

        God is totally sovereign and in control. He can do as he pleases ..

        Right! So you believe in Divine Command Theory as well I presume?
        Like Pat Robinson, William Lane Craig and this farking Dipshit , Piper?

        And did you read the latest?

        Florida Christians Push For The Death Penalty For Those Having An Abortion

        Yeah, you read that correctly.
        Christian News Wire said,
        “Under the proposed amendment, anyone who performs or procures an abortion would be charged with first degree, pre-meditated murder. ‘Abortion’ would include any abortifacient drug or device that can kill an embryo by preventing implantation, as well as the intentional destruction of unwanted IVF embryos. The amendment would define life as beginning at fertilization rather than ‘conception,’ and declares that ‘abortion deprives an innocent human being of the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

        THIS is what your religion is capable of inducing.
        Society does not need this level of insanity , it really doesn’t.

        Your god, Yahweh, is a Canaanite god; a meglomaniacal genocidal maniac, and you my friend, are an indoctrinated misguided bloke who needs to get his shit together.

        As for Piper and his ilk.
        I am sorry to say, but they can go Fuck Themselves.

        Ark.

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      • Jonathan Camac October 3, 2016 / 5:32 am

        Abortion is a difficult one. I don’t agree with it. But having said that, I realise there are many difficult situations that come with this issue. People who have committed abortion should be treated with grace and welcomed with open arms into Christian communities.

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      • Arkenaten October 3, 2016 / 9:27 am

        By this do I presume you disagree with the view expressed by certain Florida Christians?

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      • Jonathan Camac October 5, 2016 / 4:12 am

        I will assume by ‘Florida Christians’ you mean the ones responsible for the statement against abortion. Ideally in my opinion, the option to abort children (when undertaken simply for conveniency) should be taken out of the picture completely. I haven’t given the whole murder charges thing much thought. I do believe we need to take the issue of abortion more seriously than we currently do as a society. But either way, people who have committed abortion are to be brought in and genuinely loved by the Christian community – as many of us currently do 🙂

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  11. theancients September 23, 2016 / 4:47 pm

    Another great article Jonathan.
    Some great take-away for me:
    *He came into their world when nobody else would.*

    *To be poor in spirit is to realize the state of our sickness without Jesus. To be poor in spirit is understanding that before God, we have nothing to give.*

    The story of David, Jonathan and later Mephiboshet – one of my favorites. Such a beautiful display of the heart of God for us lamed by life.

    Your dad is a very wise man. Your explanation of your name confirmed your character.

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    • Jonathan Camac September 25, 2016 / 12:52 pm

      Appreciate it ancients! Great summary there man. My Dad is a very wise man, I owe him so much. Bless you mate 🙂

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  12. danielgutfeld September 29, 2016 / 5:02 am

    “If Christianity is a crutch, then it is only good for cripples.”
    Quote of the article, in my opinion. Great point brother Camac. It reminds me of two things, “I didn’t come for the healthy but for the sick.” Mark 2:17 my paraphrase. And something from my favorite expositor Art Azurdia in which he cited from another pastor. “Churches are a lot like hospitals” It’s from his 3 part sermon, “A Clarion Call to a Worldly Christianity”, I highly suggest you give it a listen, it’s stupendous! I thank the Lord for your insights.
    Daniel

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    • Jonathan Camac October 3, 2016 / 5:36 am

      Great thoughts and summary here Daniel! Mark 2:17 is spot on in relation to this blog. Thanks for sharing brother! All glory to God 🙂

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      • Arkenaten October 3, 2016 / 9:44 am

        Mark 2:17 is spot on in relation to this blog.

        Are you sick?
        Sorry to hear this. What’s wrong, if it isn’t a personal question?

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      • Jonathan Camac October 5, 2016 / 3:59 am

        If you actually read the whole blog, you will see exactly what I am talking about 🙂

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      • Arkenaten October 5, 2016 / 12:13 pm

        So you are not, in fact, ill then?
        Why do you believe you are sick?

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  13. voxsar October 1, 2016 / 12:07 pm

    Lovely yet… soothing quote

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  14. Arkenaten October 3, 2016 / 9:10 am

    @DanielGutfeld.

    This individual is clearly not interested in ANY sort of evidence against their own position.

    If you have done any serious study regarding biblical archaeology where it pertains to subjects such as the Exodus you will quickly realise how untenable your position is.
    Or maybe Kenyan and the dating of Jericho?
    Or even the Human Genome Project.

    That you suggest the author of Luke is known and was the physician of Saul of Tarsus strongly suggests you have succumbed to a fair degree of indoctrination.

    Maybe you should do a comparative study of the works of Josephus?

    As far as Acts goes, could you please explain the incident of the poisonous snake on the island of Malta? ( this is generally agreed where Paul was supposed to have stopped on his travels, is it not?)
    I would be particularly interested in your take on herpetology regarding venomous Mediterranean snakes?

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    • danielgutfeld October 3, 2016 / 10:46 pm

      Seeing as I have read your blog and it is quite demonstrable you have no interest in real exchange, I will give this response to your query and only this response. I will address one question which is so juvenile in it’s understanding of exegesis of the Biblical text and explain why I won’t respond to anything else, just in brief.

      First to answer your question about snakes and Malta. Surely you are addressing the lack of venomous snakes on the island. While there is no demonstrable proof there were never venomous snakes there, there are two interpretive possibilities. That being the first, which begs the question. The other, and more certain one, is the religious mysticism of the local populous on the island. Seeing as the ship wrecked people were accompanied by Roman guards, it is safe to imply they understood them as criminals. This understanding is borne out by their declaration of Paul, after being bitten by the snake, surely being a murderer and Justice(a Greeco-Roman god) will substantiate the claim. Since Paul is not killed, but resumes his previous tasks they continue they’re former hospitality and even invite him to come to their leader for the ensuing narrative.

      Your assumption of the works of Josephus being the primary source for the book of Acts is so asinine, it doesn’t deserve any dignified response. So that is all you will get. I have done ample research into the archeology of the Biblical accounts. Seeing as your presuppositions preclude any evidence I may give, and I am not allowed to interpret evidence with my worldview(only yours) there is no point in moving forward with that discussion either.

      Now, why I won’t go further.
      I do expect you have figured out I am a presuppositional Reformed Baptist(much like John Piper, James White, and DA Carson who you have no empathy for, so I expect the same from you towards me). With your constant blasphemy against the creator of the universe, the only reply you should receive is a call to repentance. Followed by faith in the man who will judge those very actions. You have many wonderful pictures on your blog. Those pictures display the glory of God and you refuse to give him due praise and further condemn your already perishing soul. I weep and pray for your conversion. Perhaps those cakes, which I presume are delicious, could be facilitated to further the cause of the gospel. But alas, this is unlikely. For you are at enmity with God. You hate him, and there is nothing I can say or that you can do to change that. Unless the Spirit of God works a miracle by changing your calloused heart, you are destined for eternal judgement separated from the life-giver and supreme sovereign in the entirety of creation. Again I pray for you, and those who think like you, indoctrinated by their culture and educational past to hate the one who gives you every breath,and every refraction in your eyesockets that causes you to read these words. Turn from your indoctrination and seek the triune God, you will find him to be a perfect savior.

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      • Arkenaten October 3, 2016 / 10:48 pm

        And this is one reason why you need to be kept away from children.

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  15. Cattie's World October 3, 2016 / 10:32 am

    I Love reading about JESUS. I love everything about him.
    I wish people would realise soon that they are not going to get into Heaven with all their wealth and diamonds and cars and resorts.
    And even when we give charity, it should be something enough for the person to eat or wear. Visiting the sick, visiting the aged, the prisoners, calling poor people home for lunch, dinner. Such Acts are called True Charity.

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  16. viewingcamelot October 5, 2016 / 4:38 am

    This is fantastic. And I agree the crutch is the solution; for many years, when people tell me Christianity is just a crutch, I’ve replied that it’s more like a wheelchair. Great writing! Thanks for sharing. 🙂

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    • Jonathan Camac October 5, 2016 / 4:43 am

      Haha – thats an awesome response! I’ve heard of others who have said it is more like an intensive care unit 😉 haha. Appreciate your time brother!

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  17. Anna Waldherr October 9, 2016 / 10:23 pm

    A beautiful less, Jonathan. I especially liked the line, “Sin that once left humanity paralyzed had now met its cure.” We desperately need that crutch. But those of us who are well off often do not realize it.

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    • Jonathan Camac October 10, 2016 / 12:29 am

      Well said Anna. It’s so true isn’t it. It’s hard to see the need for a need when we have everything we need in the here and now. Appreciate your time 🙂

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  18. Kimberly October 10, 2016 / 6:41 am

    I absolutely love your writing voice–it’s a very natural, speech-like style that flows beautifully. I also appreciate the sarcasm you weave in there occasionally 🙂 Ha ha! This was a very well-written article that I really enjoyed; thanks for taking the time to write it!

    Also, just wanted to say–thank you for taking the time to graciously respond to everyone who comments (even to those who are less than gracious to you.) It’s encouraging to see thoughtful, well-supported responses to irked commentators that aren’t spiteful or sarcastic. Thanks for being patient and setting an example for everyone who reads your blog!

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    • Jonathan Camac October 10, 2016 / 7:06 am

      Wow – thanks heaps! Yeah I try to add a few funny bits or puns in each post. Glad somebody enjoys them haha. Appreciate your time Kimberly 🙂 God bless!

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  19. Nancy J October 11, 2016 / 5:18 pm

    Perfectly penned. I love the transparency of your sense of humor and sarcasm. I work with a close friend who founded OrphansFirst.org . I truly enjoyed this entry. You bring much to light and burst bubbles.

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    • Jonathan Camac October 11, 2016 / 7:59 pm

      Appreciate your kind words Nancy 🙂 Trust you were encouraged in some way. Just had a look at your website – looks neat! All the best with the awesome work you’re doing 🙂

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    • Jonathan Camac October 17, 2016 / 12:47 am

      Trust you got something out of the post 🙂 hope its an epic day for you man!

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  20. Bushman October 24, 2016 / 3:02 am

    I was just reading the sermon on the mount today, what amazing timing I came across this. I forgot how radical the concepts Jesus was presenting really were for his audience! Great post!

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    • Jonathan Camac October 24, 2016 / 3:32 am

      Crazy isn’t it! Glad it helped you understand the context to the sermon on the mount better. Thanks for your time Bushman 🙂

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  21. mari9405 October 26, 2016 / 10:19 am

    I am glad that you enjoyed my blog-post. Thank you. I certainly like yours.

    As a disabled person myself, I have come across the stupidity of so-called Christians saying that, if I believed in Jesus enough, I would be cured.

    I don’t see my disability that way. I believe I can raise awareness, to help others with my, quite rare, conditions. If I had to be born disabled to do this, then so be it. Sometimes, we have to go through difficulties, in order to minister to others, or give support to others. It’s no use saying to people, “I know just how you feel.” If you really do not have a clue.

    I am face-blind and was speaking to another person recently, who had temporarily been rendered face-blind. I could identify with everything she said about what she went through, when she had the condition. For me, face-blindness is something I have been battling with all of my life, but now that medical science is taking it seriously, and it’s now called Prosopagnosia, I do believe it is my mission to raise awareness, so that others with the condition know that they are not alone.

    Of course I don’t welcome disability, but everything we go through can be used to help others who are going through something similar.

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    • Jonathan Camac October 26, 2016 / 10:27 am

      Well said mari 🙂 we are not promised an easy life void of all pain now – heck, Jesus himself experiences intense pain. So cool that you have taken your life’s pain and used it to help others. That’s what it is all about. We boast in our weaknesses, because despite our deepest flaws and biggest failures, Jesus forgives. Continue to wear those scars with dignity my friend! 🙂

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  22. Esther October 27, 2016 / 11:04 pm

    Another good post. I like the way you take normal society situations, and relate it to what is said in the word of God.

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    • Jonathan Camac October 27, 2016 / 11:09 pm

      It definitely helps me understand God’s word better when I relate to normal things. Glad you are the same. Thanks for your time once again 🙂

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  23. sja316 November 4, 2016 / 9:54 am

    Great post! Jesus is the Way to Heaven. When everything is going perfect in a person’s life, that’s the time they should love Jesus more. It seems most though seek Jesus in times of life issues, like bereavement, redundancy, money issues. They get it the wrong way around. Very good thought provoking post. God bless.

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    • Jonathan Camac November 4, 2016 / 6:59 pm

      So true man. Really, we should be seeking God in all highs and lows. Thanks for stopping by again Stephen! This was a bit of a longer one 😄

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  24. bumblebee3london November 7, 2016 / 11:24 am

    Only last week, my priest made the comment that we are often generous towards the materially poor, but not so forgiving of those who are in spiritual poverty. Food for thought for me 🙂

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    • Jonathan Camac November 8, 2016 / 3:14 am

      that’s a good point hey. food for thought for me too 🙂 thanks for sharing and reading!

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    • Jonathan Camac November 12, 2016 / 4:24 am

      glad you got something out of it! no problems, thanks for your time 🙂

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  25. hill45 November 26, 2016 / 3:10 pm

    Thank you for reading my brog. There are many spiritual spiritual meaning for us to understand in Bible.

    People’s actions have two sides, bad or good. There are two sides in rich people, too. In poor people, there are two sides. We have to take care of the people in good side. We have to be good side people in money,too. The correct behavior in money is allowed, of course.
    If not, this world God created doesn’t survive. The most important thing depends on how the person’t mind is.

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    • Jonathan Camac November 26, 2016 / 10:40 pm

      yeah so true. The rich and the poor are of equal importance to God, and the rich have an awesome opportunity to bless others with their money. But as you’ll know, this post is primarily talking about poverty of spirit – not money 🙂 thanks for your time!

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  26. lovelibertylife December 31, 2016 / 7:39 am

    Good job bringing the word alive, you have a way with words! The poor in spirit our the poor in wealth; this should not be. Wealthy people should be thankful and more appreciative, but they usually aren’t. What a shame! One day the wealth of the wicked will be ours. I am hoping the Kingdom is established soon, the Kingdom is within; however, it will manifest soon. God is waiting on us to declare and live by Kingdom principles. Keep teaching the word, blogging for bliss, and writing for revolution!

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    • Jonathan Camac January 4, 2017 / 1:11 am

      Thanks again for reading mate! His Kingdom come, His will be done.

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  27. lovelibertylife December 31, 2016 / 8:20 am

    I want to commend you on how you handle the skeptics, you responded with grace, humility, and wisdom. We have to have faith to believe in God, and it is a gift…… Not everyone has. Faith comes from the Word, and from the Spirit, so, some people don’t have their spiritual eyes opened. I believe because of the faith in my heart, not because of any written material. The same Spirit that is in the prophets of old, is in us. We are One! Keep standing on the Word, it is Truth!

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    • Jonathan Camac January 4, 2017 / 1:13 am

      Faith, yes – but not faith grounded on thin air. We have a faith grounded on the reasonableness of its claims and convictions. Praise God!

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  28. Bible Students Daily January 25, 2017 / 12:57 am

    Beautifully written. Thank you. “Philippians 4:8” May our Heavenly Father Yahweh through Christ Jesus His firstborn son and the world’s ransom for all, give thee peace and grace to be faithful unto death – Revelation 2:10.

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